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Post by Paul - Jays GM on Feb 27, 2010 21:56:50 GMT -5
With Scott's e-mail message today I thought that I would start a discussion on the draft issue. I for one do not want to see the draft reduced to 3 rounds.
I would be all for a 12 hour clock to speed things up, I would also be in favour of making a slight change to the notice procedure. Instead of e-mailing the next owner, perhaps we should move to a system where we e-mail the next 3 owners as a way to remind guys that they are coming up.
This might make it easier for someone to anticipate not being able to make a quick selection and then providing the league admin with a draft list.
I think that we can probably come up with an improvement to the system rather than a major change to the way things are done.
Thoughts? Ideas?
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Post by Scott on Feb 27, 2010 22:41:05 GMT -5
The e-mailing of the next 3 owners might not be a bad idea.
Maybe that would make some people realize they are not going to be around for their pick and would then submit a draft list.
Whatever we can do to make draft lists more prevalent is what would solve any draft time issue.
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Post by Exposgm on Feb 27, 2010 22:42:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind cutting down a round and drafting for the first three rounds instead of four, but that's probably just me. Anyway, I doubt it would be a working solution: we're not even through Round 3 yet, and only have a few days to finish it.
Cutting the clock down to 12 hours wouldn't work either. Owners have more often requested that it be prolonged - not a solution either! - than the opposite.
Submitting lists, that's a good place to start. Owners used to do that more often, and I'm not talking about former owners, I'm talking about owners currently in the league! I would receive lists of 1-2 picks (or more, when it was needed) from quite a bunch of teams. This year? Nothing. I got lists from 2 or 3 teams, that's it. It used to be much, much better.
What doesn't help is that owners won't let go of the right to pick themselves in Round 3 and 4, but there is an overall drop of interest as soon as Round 2 is over. It's always been the case before, and this season it's dramatically slow.
What will happen with this current draft? Are we even going to reach the end of Round 3 before next sim? I truly doubt we'll manage to find time for Round 4. Several of those picks have been traded; not sure the teams that acquired those picks are willing to receive a computer-controlled pick instead. And it would be ridiculous to stop the season until the draft is completed.
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Post by Yankees on Feb 27, 2010 23:42:28 GMT -5
perhaps we should move to a system where we e-mail the next 3 owners as a way to remind guys that they are coming up.
I think this is a great idea! Maybe take it a step further and require those 3 teams to submit a 3 player list with in our current time limit?
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Post by San Diego Padres on Feb 28, 2010 7:51:09 GMT -5
I really like the idea of emailing the next 3 owners who are up. I can't see how this wouldn't help, and it's easy to do.
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Post by TribeGM on Feb 28, 2010 10:49:26 GMT -5
would have definitely helped me seeing I overlooked the email telling me I was up. Nobody's fault but mine though.
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Post by joshb914 on Feb 28, 2010 12:42:54 GMT -5
I can't remember one season where someone didn't complain about the speed of the draft. I also don't remember a season where the draft was not completed by the June 15 file.
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Post by Scott on Feb 28, 2010 12:58:02 GMT -5
I can't remember one season where someone didn't complain about the speed of the draft. I also don't remember a season where the draft was not completed by the June 15 file. You do realize that the draft is the June 1st file don't you? We are already there, and we still have 1.5 rounds to go. So this would be your year we didn't get it done, and we are not even close.
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Post by Exposgm on Feb 28, 2010 13:37:52 GMT -5
I can't remember one season where someone didn't complain about the speed of the draft. I also don't remember a season where the draft was not completed by the June 15 file. At the contrary, I can remember seasons where things went so smoothly that we kept congratulating people for moving the draft so well. Of course it didn't happen every year, but it happened. The one thing that has always occured, however, is a drop of rythm starting in round 3. As for always completing the draft by the time we reached it in the file, that isn't true. In one of the first seasons after the switch to the 2k8, if I remember properly, the draft was so slow that we had to pause the season in order to finish the draft, I don't recall if it was completing rounds 3 and 4 or only the fourth one. Several owners didn't like that, having to stop, and for a few years after that, draft speed was no longer a problem. Things went so well at times that we even got around to draft ourselves in Round 5 on one particular occasion.
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Post by Scott on Feb 28, 2010 14:06:59 GMT -5
Maybe the solution is to leave the first and second round at 18 hours and move the 3rd and 4th rounds to 12 hours.
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Post by Exposgm on Feb 28, 2010 15:00:53 GMT -5
Maybe the solution is to leave the first and second round at 18 hours and move the 3rd and 4th rounds to 12 hours. I had the very same thought this morning. To me, it's a valuable idea. Since everyone seems to lose interest in those later rounds, why keep the clock at the same lenght? By shortening it, it will encourage teams to submit lists. That is still the fastest way to move the draft quickly; it's a proven fact.
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Post by Paul - Jays GM on Feb 28, 2010 15:29:52 GMT -5
true, but notifying more than just the next person will also kick things into a higher gear.
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Post by sj on Feb 28, 2010 16:29:14 GMT -5
true, but notifying more than just the next person will also kick things into a higher gear. I don't think so. It would only motivate someone like you, me, Terry, and several others. The ones timing out, for the most part, aren't paying attention. I don't think the average owner is going to pay any more attention after being told he's now third in line. More likely he'll think, oh good I still have two teams in front of me, I'll go work on my other league or play some more Guitar Hero. Two teams in front of you can mean you'll need to pick in the next 25 minutes (plus 18 hours), or in the next 25 hours (plus 18 hours). Plus, we lose most of our time overnight. Not many picks posted between 11:30pm and 6am. If one guy waits until 11:30pm to post, we almost have a guarantee of six and a half to seven and a half hours before the next pick, no matter how many people he emails. I think we should just go back to 3 rounds. It also wouldn't hurt if we could get out of sync with OSML. The last few seasons, both have had their drafts at the same time. We have a lot of owners in both leagues, and scouting amateurs for both at the same time is a real pain in the ass.
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Post by Exposgm on Feb 28, 2010 16:56:36 GMT -5
true, but notifying more than just the next person will also kick things into a higher gear. We still have owners who don't even notify the commish by sending him a C.C. when sending an email to the next team in line. We've just had an example of this, and even though most teams will C.C., not all of them do. It happened this season, and it happened before, and not from the same team. Expecting owners to send copies of emails to more people when some of them don't even want to C.C. the commissioner, well allow me to doubt of the efficiency of that system. Hell, I still receive draft notification emails to tmblassistant@yahoo.com when that address has never been posted in the draft order and the list pick instructions tables. Like Rand said, sending emails to more owners will work with a handful of owners, but that's pretty much it.
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Post by Philthydelphia on Feb 28, 2010 17:06:55 GMT -5
I really think 3 rounds is enough; letting the AI finish the last 3 is like Christmas - sometimes you get a piece of coal in your stocking.
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Post by boobiegibson4three on Feb 28, 2010 22:31:52 GMT -5
i like 4th round picks, but if everyone has the CPU picking its fair...
Terry, Im one of the people who usually doesnt CC on his email. Im nice to email the next guy, but if it came down to it, i would rather lose "5 million" dollars then to have to do 20 seconds extra work. Call me lazy, but i think some people have that thought process.
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Post by joshb914 on Mar 1, 2010 3:03:55 GMT -5
^^^ dude, ccing an email takes 5 seconds max.
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Post by Exposgm on Mar 1, 2010 3:25:55 GMT -5
Im nice to email the next guy, It's not being nice, these are the rules! Emailing the next team isn't an option. but if it came down to it, i would rather lose "5 million" dollars then to have to do 20 seconds extra work. Call me lazy, but i think some people have that thought process. Call me crazy, but I think we should fine you 5 million for each draft pick you made (and didn't CC, as you admit) since you joined the league! ;D Here's an easy, easy, easy, so damn easy trick for you: enter "Scott" or "Braves" in your email contacts. Therefore, when you email the next team, it'll take but a second to select "Scott" or "Braves" from your contact list (in my email account, I only need to type the first few letters, and it automatically appears) and that will be the easiest CC you ever dreamed of. Lazy is one thing, but sometimes it feels like bad faith disguised.
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Post by boobiegibson4three on Mar 2, 2010 0:13:26 GMT -5
5 seconds max...maybe in america, sometimes your out of the country on a public computer where the 56k is FAST... sometimes your on a smart phone... sometimes you have a g/f and have to constantly delete your cookies/internet history...i guess i could add scotts name to my address book, but the typing it and having it fill it out auto isnt an option for me Anyways its not that bad, the owner get notified, does scott really needs to be notified that i notified the next guy? if that owner says i didnt email him, well charge me 5 million TMBL bucks, ill gladly pay
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Post by joshb914 on Mar 3, 2010 10:30:25 GMT -5
^^^ Do you live in a cave with Bin Laden or something? What does not adding Scott's name have to do with you deleting your internet history? How on earth can you justify not taking the time to CC an email with these absurd scenarios?
I would almost prefer you to say it's a matter of principle or you're just lazy then actually try to outline a list of "legitimate" reasons why it isn't worth your time to CC an email which is not only unbelievably easy to do, but also a fundamental function of using email itself.
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Post by bsager on Mar 3, 2010 11:30:48 GMT -5
haha. also, what kind of relationship are you in where you have to constantly delete your internet history/cookies? I have been in many relationships and never had to do that. It doesn't sound very healthy.
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Post by boobiegibson4three on Mar 3, 2010 17:57:39 GMT -5
terry said your email will auto finish an email, but i delete my internet history....the relationship i have is really awesome and she's hot hot hot hot 21 year old DZ, but she hates porn and i love it...g/f or not, thus the need to delete cookies
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Post by Exposgm on Mar 3, 2010 18:55:00 GMT -5
terry said your email will auto finish an email, but i delete my internet history....the relationship i have is really awesome and she's hot hot hot hot 21 year old DZ, but she hates porn and i love it...g/f or not, thus the need to delete cookies I didn't say all emails worked that way, I said mine did. And it does it, no matter if the historical has been deleted or not. It even did it the very first time I used this new computer. Your efforts to excuse yourself for not sending a C.C. are pathetic. Now, porn is what stands between you and a C.C. For everyone's sake or at least even just mine, please stop this absurd justification before you really drown yourself in your own juices (to be polite)...
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Post by bsager on Mar 3, 2010 19:37:39 GMT -5
haha. That makes sense. My girlfriend doesn't care if I look at porn, but if she did, it wouldn't stop me from watching it. I am a fan as well.
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Post by Halos on Mar 3, 2010 23:02:44 GMT -5
This thread has taken a turn for the hilarious.
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