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Post by Scott on Feb 19, 2010 19:23:35 GMT -5
I do not want to get rid of the contest because I think it adds something cool to the league that not many other leagues if any have.
However, the prizes are going to change without question. They are way too high right now which is obvious to everyone involved. The most likely route I am going to take is to simply cut the dollar amounts down significantly. But I am open to ideas if someone can come up with something better as far as prizes that don't effect the cash level in the league.
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Post by MarinersGM on Feb 19, 2010 19:58:59 GMT -5
I really like the playoff contest, maybe we just cut the prize money in half ? or keep only the free release and contract extension but I think that would make you still have to go into the league editor.
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Post by Scott on Feb 19, 2010 20:24:34 GMT -5
I really like it as well. Makes the playoffs more interesting for everyone rather than just the teams involved.
The free releases and contract extensions are done in the Edit Player screen, not League Editor, so those would be fine to keep as the prize for getting the runs scored correct. I really don't have an issue with that prize.
The issues are the salary reduction prizes. If someone wins $2M in prizes which is probably around the average, they can save $12M at least by using the prize correctly on a long term contract. I was thinking of cutting them down even further than half. Right now, most prizes are $250K with some extra benfits if you have both teams right in the LCS and World Series. I was thinking of going to $100K in place of the $250K, $200K in place of the $500K, and $400K in place of the $1M prize.
But if someone has an innovative idea of a prize that is non-financial and could benefit the league, I am all ears.
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Post by Paul - Jays GM on Feb 19, 2010 20:50:45 GMT -5
well, one thing that could be done is to keep the prize structure the same, but make the $ value an absolute one. So if you were to win $2M in prizes, and wanted to apply it to a 4 year contract, the contract would be reduced by 500k per season. In this system, you could probably increase the prize values to double what they currently are, and actually have the total value of the redemption drop by over 60%.
Example, a $1M prize, applied to a 6 year contract = a $6M absolute value, on a 7 year contract = a $7M absolute value. If you double that $1M prize, but make it an absolute value (not one that is applied on a per-year basis) than $2M can be taken off a player's contract (so a 4 year conract would see the yearly salary drop by $500k for a grand total of $2M.) So a $2M absolute value playoff prize is worth at least 66% less than a $1M playoff prize in our current system.
To make things simple, you could double the current prizes to 500k, 1M and 2M to keep the numbers rounded, and guys would then have to be a bit creative on how the money was spent. I could spend $1M to drop an expiring contract down, and then use 1M to drop down a 2 year contract by 500k each year.
This may make it easier for guys to trade players in their walk years as the contracts that would be most attractive would be the ones with the shortest number of years remaining. Right now, with playoff prizes and our former buy-down option, the longer term contracts were the best in the league and the ones least likely to be traded.
Imagin a league where someone would be willing to trade actual value to a team in exchange for an impact type rental player with a really great contract?
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Post by Mosko on Feb 19, 2010 21:14:57 GMT -5
I really like the playoff contest. It adds a lot of interest for me, whether I make the playoffs or not.
But if we need to cut the value of the prizes, I think Paul's idea is a very good one. Make the prizes a fixed amount and not a per-year amount.
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Post by boobiegibson4three on Feb 19, 2010 21:55:10 GMT -5
or maybe if you guess the world series winner you get a a year free contract exdtension on a player past 30 years of age or 35....it would help teams keep their favorite player/franchise possibly while not making the young players super cheap
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Post by American Royal on Feb 19, 2010 23:19:53 GMT -5
please keep the free release and contract extion part
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Post by drew on Feb 20, 2010 12:43:39 GMT -5
I agree with the free release and contract extention part. Those are the most valuable prizes in my opinion. Maybe make it a contest and only award prizes to 1 or 2 teams that pick the best. That would still give people incentive to participate and wouldn't drastically affect salaries.
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Post by sj on Feb 20, 2010 13:49:56 GMT -5
As everyone else has mentioned, the free release and contract extension don't seem to be hurting anything.
We could use Paul S's variation, which I think is going to be a bit complicated for some folks here, or just cut the reduction prizes to something like this:
Winning team only: 100k Correct # of games only: 100k Winning team And correct number of games: 300k
In the above example the prizes are not cumulative, so the maximum prize is 300k, not 500k.
The biggest difference is that no owner wins all three prizes in one single series as they can now, only the highest value one. That makes the max per series worth 300k as opposed to 1.5M for the current system.
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Post by Exposgm on Feb 20, 2010 18:26:10 GMT -5
A simple prize reduction like Scott proposed would work very well. In fact, it wouldn't be the first time we would take that course. The prizes as they stand right now have already been cut by half years ago, and in addition some were made harder to obtain.
We can still make it a little bit harder to win some prizes, for instance the # of games per series could not only need to have the correct teams involved, but we could make it to also have the right winner in order to earn that prize. Harder even would be that, past the first round, if a team didn't pick all correct winners for Round 1, none of its predictions for Rounds 2 and 3 can qualify, except for total runs scored.
This way, we keep the contest and we keep things simple and efficient.
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Post by sj on Feb 21, 2010 13:51:36 GMT -5
Harder even would be that, past the first round, if a team didn't pick all correct winners for Round 1, none of its predictions for Rounds 2 and 3 can qualify, except for total runs scored. That kills the contest. Another league I was in used to do it that way, and it's not a lot of fun to have no chance of winning anything after the first round is over.
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Post by Scott on Mar 15, 2010 13:06:42 GMT -5
This is what is going to happen to the playoff contest:
**Winning team in each series:
1st Round of playoffs: - 100k salary reduction on a player of your choice
2nd Round: - 100k reduction if only winner is right - 250k reduction if both teams were picked right
World Series: - 250k reduction if only winner is right - 500K reduction if both teams are right
Total games played in series – You NEED to have the teams right - 100k salary reduction on a player of your choice
Total runs scored by both teams combined per series - No need to have the teams right - Free Release or 1 year contract extension
All prizes are cumulative.
This will go into effect for the Playoff contest for the 1983 playoffs.
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