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Post by sjrand on Nov 23, 2007 17:53:13 GMT -5
Update
I found what I was looking for, tried it out, and it works. I sent a copy to Terry, who tried it on his computer with me watching in a netmeeting, and we're good to go.
So.....
Unwatchable GM speed is no longer an issue.
With that problem out of the way, any more discussion can stay on just the merits of allowing greater control or not.
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Post by Scott on Nov 23, 2007 23:24:24 GMT -5
Nice job Rand.
That is the biggest issue out of the way.
I am not too confident that we are going to be able to figure out a way to allow manager control without both owners being there. But this at least makes that not much of a problem because if both owners are not there, we can just watch the game like we used to now.
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Post by boffer on Nov 24, 2007 0:07:28 GMT -5
Nice job Rand
;D
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Post by San Diego Padres on Nov 24, 2007 7:30:21 GMT -5
Thanks Rand, this is good news. Although, I still don't want my team managed by a "playbook" in the playoffs. It seems to me that if we question the actions of the AI, that a playbook would be that much worse.
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Post by sjrand on Nov 24, 2007 13:41:39 GMT -5
It seems to me that if we question the actions of the AI, that a playbook would be that much worse. Yep. I know that I definitely wouldn't want to be the one interpreting the plays. But at least Terry wouldn't PH for the ace starting pitcher in the second inning of a game tied at 1.
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Post by Exposgm on Nov 24, 2007 13:58:58 GMT -5
Yep. I know that I definitely wouldn't want to be the one interpreting the plays. But at least Terry wouldn't PH for the ace starting pitcher in the second inning of a game tied at 1. I sure wouldn't!
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Post by Scott on Jan 14, 2008 17:31:24 GMT -5
I think it is time we start discussing this again.
For those of us at the Netmeetings this past offseason, it is very OBVIOUS that the way we have done things in the past is not going to work now.
We HAVE to go to Manager Mode or just cancel the netmeetings all together.
For those of you who were not there, BBM would freeze in the middle of a game, and we would have to start over. Thankfully, it never happened in a close game, and usually happened in the last inning or two when the other team was up 10 runs and the game was not in doubt. However, it still could have stopped the momentum of that team, and may very well have cost a team a chance to move onto the next round. And only God knows what could happen in the future.
This was caused by the program we were using to slow down BBM because its play by play mode is so fast.
That is not good, obviously. We are going to have to go to Manager Mode which is going to require much more of a commitment from playoff teams or we are going to have to come up with a way to manage the game for them-maybe a neutral party. I have no problem stretching the postseason out a LITTLE longer so that we can accomodate manager's life schedules. The weekends would likely be the best time to do it I would think.
I would like to hear a little more about the playbook idea. That might be what we need in case a manger cannot show up. But it would need a lot of tweaking from what was orginally brought up in this discussion.
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Post by zlebk72 on Jan 14, 2008 21:01:56 GMT -5
I am all for manager mode...I am also for having the games when I can attend.
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Post by boffer on Jan 14, 2008 21:12:13 GMT -5
I think manager mode is the best option for us, I have no problem with stretching the off season to accommodate any owners.
For the playbook, well it is obvious that if we do create one it will be far from being perfect but surely better than what the game does for sure. An option for the playbook is letting each owner involved in the playoff the opportunity to tell us how to use his lineup in different situation, such as Pinch hitting or use of relief pitchers.
I am willing to participate in creating that controversial playbook ;D
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Post by Exposgm on Jan 15, 2008 0:17:03 GMT -5
I am all for manager mode...I am also for having the games when I can attend. And half a dozen other owners are telling me the same thing. Scheduling the postseason will never be easy nor perfect. 8 postseason owners can hardly find a moment in their schedule that suits them all, and then let's not forget the postseason host. Trying to find a date that suits everyone involved is quite like gymnastics, except it comes with a headache. As for the Manager mode, I will work hard thinking about something I had on my mind for a while. It just needs to mature inside for a while.
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Post by sjrand on Jan 24, 2008 16:19:41 GMT -5
I think it is time we start discussing this again. I only just realized you opened this again. I saw the topic name dozens of times, but thought it was left over from the old discussion. I agree that we have to change from what we did last time. I don't think it was the Xcelerator program causing the lockups, but that's a moot point. We HAVE to go to Manager Mode or just cancel the netmeetings all together. 100% in agreement. I don't much care which one, but it has to be one or the other. Okay, I do care but I'm saying I don't because I'm certain people are going to shoot down using manager mode no matter what kind of system we can create. I would like to hear a little more about the playbook idea. That might be what we need in case a manger cannot show up. But it would need a lot of tweaking from what was originally brought up in this discussion. A lot of tweaking, since it was my suggestion and I never posted any details, or any of the ideas that Terry had when he and I first discussed it on messenger. But if it somehow turns out that we're going to use manager mode, it's certain we'll have to break up each playoff round into two parts. Maybe three parts for round 1. Scheduling the postseason will never be easy nor perfect. 8 postseason owners can hardly find a moment in their schedule that suits them all, and then let's not forget the postseason host. Trying to find a date that suits everyone involved is quite like gymnastics, except it comes with a headache. Headache is putting it mildly.
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Post by reds on Jan 24, 2008 16:47:52 GMT -5
I just thought I would throw this out there - because I have Windows Vista and not XP, I'm pretty sure I can't get on the windows netmeeting software we use for the playoffs. If there's a way and I'm missing it, somebody let me know, but I tried to figure it out during the playoffs last year to no avail.
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Post by sjrand on Jan 24, 2008 17:05:52 GMT -5
I just thought I would throw this out there - because I have Windows Vista and not XP, I'm pretty sure I can't get on the windows netmeeting software we use for the playoffs. If there's a way and I'm missing it, somebody let me know, but I tried to figure it out during the playoffs last year to no avail. You're right (click here) Ever consider upgrading to XP? ;D I said last meeting that I was going to look around for a better conferencing program, since netmeeting is much too limited in the way it does things. I'd better get my ass in gear.
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Post by Scott on Jan 24, 2008 21:18:54 GMT -5
I am sure you will find something good.
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Post by reds on Jan 24, 2008 23:26:18 GMT -5
Thanks for addressing my concern Rand. You would think there's a program we could use that's compatible with XP and Vista, but then again it is Windows so you never know.
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Post by sjrand on Jan 26, 2008 12:18:36 GMT -5
You would think there's a program we could use that's compatible with XP and Vista There are probably dozens of programs that'll do what we need, most of them better than netmeeting, but the problem is finding ones that are good, free, and so easy to install that people won't decide they don't want to be bothered. The only really good things about netmeeting was that it was free and everyone already had it... until Vista came along.
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Post by sjrand on Jan 30, 2008 12:08:29 GMT -5
Follow up. Matt, and anyone else running Vista, I just found this workaround at Tech Republic to get netmeeting working on Vista. Click here to go to the Microsoft netmeeting download page. So far, every decent looking conferencing program I can find costs $ beyond the trail period. Range is $20 +++, and everyone would need to have it installed (not likely). I'll keep looking.
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Post by Scott on Feb 17, 2008 22:36:26 GMT -5
Have we come up with a way to pull this postseason off this year?
Longer vs. Shorter?
Manager Mode vs. Not Manager Mode?
Netmeeting vs. Not Netmeeting?
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Post by Exposgm on Feb 18, 2008 0:16:44 GMT -5
Been working on it lately. Trying to come up with something.
More on this later.
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Post by sjrand on Feb 29, 2008 14:32:08 GMT -5
Despite the lack of other people replying to this, Scott's made some very good points about the impact of game freezes.
We don't know if anything would have been different for anybody if we didn't have those lockups, but I do know that the random seed indicator changes every time BBM loads or runs. Sim enough times from April 1 1971, and the Athletics can, and would, eventually win the WS. That's just how the game is designed.
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