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Post by Scott on May 30, 2009 8:27:34 GMT -5
As you have already heard, our long and distinguished commish, Terry, is going to be leaving that role at the end of the 1978 season. Mosko and I are going to be taking over the commish role at that time with Mosko running the sims, and me taking care of the day to day operations such as lineups and resignings, etc.
We wanted to get everyone's thoughts on a potential switch to 2k10. What we really want to avoid is the mess of the conversion from 2k4 to 2k8 because the versions were so different. In order to accomplish that conversion, we had to go through 2k5, 2k6, and 2k7 in order to get to 2k8.
We also want to avoid getting in a position where we have too few owners to run 26 teams. We are getting closer and closer to that point already. With a switch to 2k10, that opens up the door to a lot more people.
To switch from 2k8 to 2k10, we could either go through 2k9 or go straight to 2k10. We will have to run many tests in order to figure out the best way to accomplish this.
In the meantime, what are your initial thoughts on a switch to 2k10?
Also, for those of you that already have 2k10, what are your thoughts on that version of the game?
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Post by marmol on May 30, 2009 8:37:01 GMT -5
It seems like what needs to happen... If the league is on board and that is the way its going let me know if you need any help with tests and such...
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Post by Mosko on May 30, 2009 9:30:09 GMT -5
Here is information from the BBM website on what is new for 2K10. We probably don't care about many of them, but some sound promising.
New features in this year's version include:
NEW 2009 Rosters and Ratings Carefully edited and tested for maximum accuracy UPDATED Statistical Database
Includes the complete 2009 MLB Season Schedule IMPROVED Expansion Team Options Take control of your team before the expansion draft NEW Historical Simulation Engine More realistic ratings and results from 1901 to 2009 and beyond NEW League Options Easily match-up teams or all-stars from different eras IMPROVED Roster Management Adjust the number of pitchers each team carries Decide how minor league pitchers are used IMPROVED Fantasy Draft Better Interface and Artificial Intelligence IMPROVED Player Development Engine Pitchers and batters match player types for their era IMPROVED Play-By-Play Mode More realistic results and better manager AI NEW FEATURES for multiplayer leagues Commissioner Mode "cheats" fixed Easy Lineup Import and Export New Scouting Options IMPROVED Baseball Mogul Encyclopedia IMPROVED Help Files and User Interface More than 300 new Player Photos More than 100 new Season Schedule Templates Over 150 other fixes and improvements... Baseball Mogul 2010 loads saved games from previous versions.
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Post by joshb914 on May 30, 2009 11:25:43 GMT -5
If there aren't going to be a ton of drastic changes like there were from 2K4 to 2K8 then I say go for it.
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Post by Paul - Jays GM on May 30, 2009 12:44:51 GMT -5
I'm using 2k10 with my other league (started in 2k8, moved to 2k9 then to 2k10, without any real problems). I think by the time we are ready to move to 2k10, no earlier than 1979 season, they shoud have fixed any bugs that have come up (one was just fixed which allowed GM's to cheat using the .team file option by boosting thier cash on hand). But the biggest improvements or differences for GM's will be:
The Depth chart display (gives you a quick view of your entire franchise (by position) to help you determine your needs and the .team function with allows you to upload a file with your ticket prices, depth charts and strategies so the simmer does not need to do that stuff.
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Post by boobiegibson4three on May 30, 2009 20:51:20 GMT -5
"the .team function with allows you to upload a file with your ticket prices, depth charts and strategies so the simmer does not need to do that stuff. "
Thats what sounds the most promising...that would prevent a lot of manual stupid stuff that takes the commish (s) joy away.
I voted for more information, but unless something comes up in tests or someone says something negative about the switch that makes sense I say go for it.
*PS not to hijack, but are the steals a little bit more in favor of the runners? im tired of a 90 speed and 90 at stealing and his final stats are 10 stolen bases, and 8 caught.
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Post by Paul - Jays GM on May 31, 2009 7:40:08 GMT -5
that kind of stuff is usually tied to the "era" of play in the game. The game has historical "trends" built into it that adjusts the style of play (wait until we get into the "steroid era" and 85 power guys start to launch 30+ home runs!), that being said, team strategy settings are also a big factor as well.
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Post by Exposgm on May 31, 2009 13:09:14 GMT -5
The game does have a tough prejudice against stolen bases. Players like Lou Brock never had success stealing bases, and there are several players who often stole 20, 30 bases in the real life that can't even steal 10 in TMBL. The strategies are responsible for part of it, but alone it does not explain this tendancy.
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Post by Mosko on May 31, 2009 19:26:16 GMT -5
I've been running test sims using our current file in 2K9 and don't see any difference at all in the way things turn out. Haven't tried 2K10 yet.
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Post by American Royal on Jun 5, 2009 11:28:11 GMT -5
I don't know how to vote on this.
I didn't really want to change to the 2K8 version because I wasn't a fan and now I've kinda gotten use to it. I know when we did the switch and I don't have the only team it screwed with our players ratings and how they performed.
I don't have the 2K9 or the 2K10 version so i don't know how that compares and I don't plan on buying one of them unless we switch over for sure and I am for sure gonna stay in the league.
I know I would like to have a full league were we don't have owners running multiple teams and I don't know if switching to 2K10 would fix that because we tried to fix that problem with the last switch and we continue to have those problems.
I say if we do switch and we still can't find owners we think about team elimination and doing a smaller league
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Post by stros on Jun 5, 2009 12:41:35 GMT -5
oh please god yes
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Post by Exposgm on Jun 5, 2009 15:31:17 GMT -5
When we made the switch in 1970, we had just expanded to 24 teams. For a while there, in the early 70s, we were very often FULL and I remember replying to owners who wanted to join that the best I could do was contact them when we would have an opening. At some point, we even had a "waiting list".
But when we were in the early 70s, the 2k8 was relatively new so it was probably easier to find owners. Scott often made announcements on the Sports Mogul Forums, and each time he did so, I would receive requests soon after. But lately, it's been different. I received very few requests, and all of those I received were from guys who wanted to play the 2k9 or 2k10.
Personnally, I would love remaining with the 2k8 for a longer while. But I see how difficult it has become to find new owners. A few of the guys who wanted to join said they had played with the 2k8 before, but had gotten rid of it and now only wanted to be in a league with a newer version. Chances are they are a bunch like that.
Since TMBL is a historical league, we're not gonna go into that team elimination stuff as other leagues have done before.
Otherwise, the more we stay with the 2k8, the harder it will become finding owners to join us. Remember how it was in the late 60s? We had the exact same problem in our last seasons with the 2k4.
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Post by San Diego Padres on Jun 7, 2009 11:11:43 GMT -5
I've been toying with 2k10 today and like it a lot. I would strongly be in favor of making the transition, especially if it made it easier to recruit new owners to the league.
Terry had said he probably would be the only one in favor of a restart, smaller league. I'm not against that at all. It might breath new life into the league, it's been pretty quiet around here.
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Post by MarinersGM on Jun 7, 2009 13:09:17 GMT -5
I would also be in favor of a switch to 2K10. I think we should switch and run a couple seasons. Then if we can't recruit enough owners we should really consider starting over. I would love to continue to build the Mariners but we really need owners.
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Post by Paul - Jays GM on Jun 7, 2009 13:26:03 GMT -5
Two opinions:
#1 - screw the restart idea - I've seen too many other leagues try it and it leads to one thing and one thing only - the leagues die. Do a search of the SM forums, most of the leagues that have restarted have failed. They restart because there are major issues with the leagues in the first place.
#2 - Move to 2k10 ASAP - This is really the only issue with the league at this point. The inability to recruit new owners is due to this fact. My other league (Outahere - 15 seasons in the books) has a waiting list of 6 potential GM's (largely due to two reasons - we switched to 2k10, started as 2k8 and moved to 2k9, and the restart of Best Mogul Baseball - a "sister" league")
only my opinions. I don't have a ton of senority in the league, but one thing is for sure. 2k10 features of the .team file are changing the dynamics of online play and making commish work much easier!
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Post by MarinersGM on Jun 7, 2009 14:55:21 GMT -5
No one is just saying start over. We are saying that we want more owners and by what your saying a switch to 2K10 should fix that so we should be fine. But if not then we have to do something. What I want to know is if we switch over are we going to leave all of the players alone or are they going to be manipulated? I think we should just run 2K10 and leave things alone.
Just my thoughts
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Post by Exposgm on Jun 7, 2009 15:41:02 GMT -5
If the 2k10 is as close to the 2k8 as I hear it is, then there should be no reason to manipulate the players. The 2k4 was extremely different from the 2k8, we had so much work to do. Remember how the hitters were all hitting from the wrong side? That was important enough to be corrected, and it took us a while to do so.
But the 2k8 may not be very different from the 2k10 from what we are being told about it. If that is so, that switch should prove to be a lot more easier than the first one was.
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Post by unklenemz-SFG on Jun 7, 2009 16:44:24 GMT -5
How many teams currently are missing owners? I would be open to switching to a newer version of mogul and also open to a restart.
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Post by MarinersGM on Jun 7, 2009 17:02:46 GMT -5
I installed 2K10 today and so far I really like it. I like how you can adjust your minor leauge pitchers from starters to relievers ect.. Some players have improved and some not so much and The payroll budget went up slightly in 2K10.
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Post by Cubbies on Jun 7, 2009 18:14:49 GMT -5
Totally against a re start!
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Post by Paul - Jays GM on Jun 7, 2009 20:33:41 GMT -5
revenue needs to be adjusted due to the new revenue stream in 2k10 - National TV contract.
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