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Post by Exposgm on Sept 6, 2010 18:34:33 GMT -5
Is it me, or the draft is very slow? I was gone two full days, and when I came back, it was to notice that there had been a handful of picks made since I had left some 48 hours before... With free agency about done, and the draft that started a full four days before free agency, it's hard to believe we're not even through Round 1. This is absolutely unimpressive! It's sad, but it's a strong argument for lowering the clock during round 3 and 4 to 12 hour again. A week has gone by and we're not done with round 1... what will it be in round 3?
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Post by Scott on Sept 6, 2010 19:16:42 GMT -5
I agree. This is the league's last chance to prove it can get through a draft, or I can guarentee the clock will be back at 12 hours in Round 3 and Round 4 going forward as long as I am here no matter how many complaints about it I get.
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Post by Chi-Town Sox on Sept 6, 2010 20:26:18 GMT -5
inactivity ftl.
i think a lot of it is that people said they wanted to make their own picks this year...granted i havent been around for another draft while im in the league, (recently..) but it seemed when I was bored and read through last years draft when it was going on that a lot of people were getting list picks which helped move it along.
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Post by Philthydelphia on Sept 6, 2010 20:54:28 GMT -5
I've had my picks ready for quite sometime, but keep in mind this was Labor Day Weekend. There could be a lot of people on the road, and I think only one owner has timed out. Changing time limits for rounds 3 and 4 will not speed up the first round. The bottom line will be do we have the draft over by the day the draft is scheduled within the game.
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Post by Exposgm on Sept 6, 2010 21:09:12 GMT -5
It is Labour Day weekend, but what about submitting lists? I have received only one so far. By far, the worst ever.
Also, from last monday until Labour weekend started, it wasn't Labour Day weekend, and yet it was still awfully slow! I remember in the past, in less time than we had this year before the clock started, going through the first round on a voluntary basis!
Maybe only one owner timed out so far, but the average time taken by each team is awfully long. Much longer than what it should be, and much longer than what it always was, especially in Round 1.
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Post by Philthydelphia on Sept 6, 2010 22:50:16 GMT -5
I agree that it is slow, and I am not condoning it. I was merely pointing out a reason for the slowness; there could be others. Why is it so slow, or does it just appear that way? We might pull up the last draft and compare time frames. If it is so slow, what are other possible reasons? What can be done? We can speed up the time limits on the last two rounds if necessary, but that will not speed up the first two. What is the solution?
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Post by Chi-Town Sox on Sept 6, 2010 23:34:15 GMT -5
live drafts. saturday afternoon. If someone cant make it, send a list.
idk if msn has a group convo, but i know mIRC does.
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Post by Philthydelphia on Sept 6, 2010 23:44:15 GMT -5
Old CML league I used to participate in did it all by list. Everyone submitted a list, and the commish started with pk 1 and the first list - right on down all the lists. He did it one round at a time. After the first round, everyone submitted a 2nd round list.
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Post by boobiegibson4three on Sept 7, 2010 9:55:16 GMT -5
^^^^ ive actually thought about that list thing. It would be okay for ten players but for 26 ( i think) players would be a lot.
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Post by Scott on Sept 7, 2010 10:32:54 GMT -5
We are likely going to be shooting for Opening Day this coming Sunday, so with almost another week to go before the season even starts, I hope this is all going to be a non-issue.
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Post by Cubbies on Sept 7, 2010 21:26:05 GMT -5
This is brutal!
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Post by sj on Sept 8, 2010 15:46:16 GMT -5
Jeeze guys, the draft started the day before the labor day weekend. In a lot of other leagues, including this one in days gone by, it wouldn't have even been on the clock until after the holiday. We used to have 4 vacation periods here; Thanksgiving (U.S.), Christmas/New Years, Memorial Day, and Labor Day. As I recall, all our former students, now in the workplace, not only liked it that way, but insisted on having it that way. You can go ahead and schedule things for major holidays, but if you do you can't complain when people aren't as active during them.
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Post by Exposgm on Sept 8, 2010 19:09:47 GMT -5
The clock started on the day before Labor Day weekend, but the draft had been on a voluntary basis for FOUR days prior to the start of the clock. Even then, it was slow, slower than it is usually when it is on a voluntary basis. It's also not the first draft to occur at a "busy" weekend or on a holiday, and even though it's usually "slower", it has never been this slow.
I'm still sitting at one list submitted by an owner, which has to be an all-time low. And even if there were people enjoying the holidays, I'm more concerned about those who have the luxury to come 4-5 times on the boards while their pick is up and that eventually make their selection 12 to 15 hours after it was up. They're not at home? It wasn't always a problem. I've had plenty of messages before, asking me to pick a player for them, whether on PM or email. This year: a big nothing - oh no, one list, that's true. Next to nothing, then.
I fear that the general feeling was, since we were going to have "more time" than usual to advance the draft as we timed free agency with the draft, a lot of owners thought to themselves that they could take their time this year.
The draft started on a voluntary basis 9 days ago. Back in the 60s, it happened that the then-3 round draft was wrapped up in 9 days. Sure, there were 6 less teams back then, and the draft counted 3 less rounds. But we're not even close to the third round! This current draft is slow even by our slowest standards!
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Post by unklenemz-SFG on Sept 8, 2010 20:06:06 GMT -5
Just to chime in on the delay of the draft. I was one of those, if not the only one, who did come to the board 4 to 5 times and then made my pick 12 to 15 hours after it was up. This was for the purpose of shopping my pick in a couple different trade scenarios. The trades did not pan out and I made my pick.
I have not competed in this league for a while and since the draft was voluntary, I took my time to make my pick. I have found it more difficult to trade the prospect compared to the pick.
I do apologize for any inconvenience I have caused you all in the world of mogul baseball. Having said that, I think you all overreacting.
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Post by Exposgm on Sept 8, 2010 20:18:34 GMT -5
Once a pick is up, it cannot be traded, therefore, shopping it around once it is up isn't gonna do any good.
In the draft section, the thread called: "A reminder" (been posted like this in several drafts):
2. As soon as the clock has started, you cannot trade your pick if it's currently up. So if you plan on perhaps maybe trading your upcoming pick, do so before your pick is up. Remember that a trade must wait for 24 hours before being processed. If a trade is made, you can still make a pick if your picks comes up before the trade is processed. However, if later vetoed, the drafted player will revert to the team who originally had the pick.
This being said, you weren't the only owner coming back a few times while the pick was up, nor are you the only responsible for the draft being slow. Some teams that submitted lists in the past and are no longer doing it are also contributing to the slow speed of the draft.
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Post by unklenemz-SFG on Sept 8, 2010 20:30:38 GMT -5
The pick I was referring to was the 8th overall pick and the draft was not on the clock. But hey I can understand if you are concerned but it does not seem to be as grave a situation as some make it. Just my two cents. I normally don't reply to these types of posts on the board. Just wanted to explain my situation.
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Post by boobiegibson4three on Sept 8, 2010 20:56:26 GMT -5
i think its a new tradition for TMBL to complain about draft speed. Everyone year there is always a thread about the snails pace lol. I think im going start a thread titled "86 draft way to slooooooow." lol
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Post by sj on Sept 9, 2010 11:16:12 GMT -5
The clock started on the day before Labor Day weekend, but the draft had been on a voluntary basis for FOUR days prior to the start of the clock. Even then, it was slow, slower than it is usually when it is on a voluntary basis. Well, there's your answer then. Dave used to allow a long voluntary period in OSML, although not that long, and we had similar results and similar concerns even with far fewer teams. The first 4-6 players picked are usually almost automatic. Why spend four very long voluntary pick days for teams to scout out the cream of the cream? Post the turnover file and go on the clock the next day. Three extra days on the clock may not sound like much, but it can make a difference. While we're on the subject, it wouldn't hurt to have a player pick list posted on the message board too. Not exactly an onerous task to do one, sort them, right click and copy to clipboard, paste in new thread here. As players are selected, use the strike through text modifier ( [/s ) to cross them off. One less step for owners to make when seeing who's left for them to pick from, and anyone with mod access can keep the list updated.
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Post by sj on Sept 24, 2010 13:57:03 GMT -5
Before we go getting all radical again, I'd like to mention that the sim to the amateur draft won't happen until the 26th, and the draft ended back on the 19th, a week in advance. Maybe that's not perfectly ideal, but it's not that bad either. Especially since we're still stopping for a day or three at "FA period" and in March.
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Post by Exposgm on Sept 24, 2010 15:07:38 GMT -5
Yeah, we did manage to finish in advance. The tempo picked up in rounds 3 and 4, which is unusual but positive. I guess pointing the speed out convinced a few owners, as I finally received more than one list from that point on.
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Post by Scott on Sept 24, 2010 16:12:51 GMT -5
Yeah, we did manage to finish in advance. The tempo picked up in rounds 3 and 4, which is unusual but positive. I guess pointing the speed out convinced a few owners, as I finally received more than one list from that point on. It usually does. Once something gets brought out like that, people tend to start doing better. Which is why I wouldn't mind a thread like this every year to remind people, ha.
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Post by boobiegibson4three on Sept 24, 2010 16:17:47 GMT -5
There is a thread like this every year lol
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Post by Exposgm on Sept 24, 2010 17:38:28 GMT -5
There is a thread like this every year lol Really? Point them out to me please.
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Post by boobiegibson4three on Sept 25, 2010 14:54:18 GMT -5
Thread or email. There is always a discussion on draft speed for the last ten years
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Post by boobiegibson4three on Sept 25, 2010 15:27:30 GMT -5
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